for 63 promo within a more clear timeline. Mini himself is quite high level and knowledgable. In my group that's the really tough one. This means there are 24 distinct job levels at Microsoft. Promotion budgets of 65 and above has been kept intact.Can somebody from HR confirm this?If true then this post is quite untimely. For the folks on the path to L63, I want you to first understand your boss's opinion of you, your opinion of yourself, what it takes to succeed in your team, and then ways you can step up and be on the right path. How accurate is this most likely Total Pay range (base + additional) of $396K-$652K/yr? I was an asshole, but I was better than my peers at getting shit done -- I was a PM in DevDiv at the time. Amazon I call B.S. It's just that the scope is different. If I was 65/66 material, why did they wait until I gave notice to offer me the promotion? >> Grammar nitpicking is fine when it's accurate.Wow, those sic[s] really are all [sic]s, and you went out of your way to refute them with invalid proofs and an assumed air of infallibility.Obviously you are a manager of HR managers soon to be promoted to GM. Obviously, this is advice that you may not apply during the current hiring freeze, but keep it on your mind for the future.- At times the focus on the level may not be the most important strategy in the long term. But if your manager is undervaluing your work, and *that* is the factor that is making you unhappy, you can fix that. As a L64 I find getting to 65 quite a wall. You can bet that if I went back today I would be a _very_ different person.The only thing I would add is that at any level, you need to not only know that your manager believes you should be promoted and will fight for you, you need to believe that your manager _can make it happen_. So one big part is do good work, but another is don't do bad work.I think it's a very good idea to ask for a promotion. If that means doing something you don't want to do, you might need a different manager (or company). I haven't seen one single person getting hired below L63 in my group during last year. What an achievement! Say that you will understand if your manager thinks you aren't ready. I have known some that do what is barely enough for "achieve" just because it is safe. In this article, we have explained the Job levels at Microsoft which starts at SDE and goes up to Technical Fellow. No one wants an employee who is staying for the money -- and you don't want to be that employee, either. jcr said >Apple's about to ship Snow Leopard with no new features. Therefore, our need for people who can collaborate across their own team, across disciplines, across org boundaries is greater than ever before. They will have thought this out. I spent 5 years on level 61. What is the average promotion velocity for non-technical fields? below 63 one has low influence and above 64, it is more strategizing and less execution.Overall, my experience has been that promotion is the effect of results and good work. Your lead. It can help you identify blind spots which may be holding you back.7. Promotion to 63 happened to me 2 years ago when I helped ship Office 2007. I've seen some extremely senior developers propose solutions to problems, but be totally unconvincing. Its, actually, quite a short list. Is this confirmed? Those people are almost all Level 62's with few prospects. But anyway, EOF for that angle. Contributed and exceeded in two roles - getting G-Star, then moved to another team with clear headroom and again, exceeded all commits and moved to L64. You have to enjoy it, or else it'll come across as insincere, and you'll do a half assed job. This is a large part of his job - getting his reports to excel and getting them (and by extension, himself) some recognition.All of the above assumes you don't suck, though. The Senior Director provides leadership, establishes operational objectives, policies, procedures and works plans and oversee the program to ensure maximum profitability through efficient service delivery, effective client management, and strategic allocation of resources. The microsoft people have already decided you're not a good 'fit'. Taking the easy escape out like that, you are more likely to get into the same situation at other companies. on this one. So I guess I know what it takes go get to level 63. You want to test more cases than he does, you want to build something that draws users to what you're doing more than to his.Having part of the bonus be for how the team succeeded relative to the other teams might focus competition towards the competition and not exclusively on co-workers.Add up the review scores of each team member and rank teams. All of my peers are SDE II's, so L61-L62.The advice is simple:First, NAIL the fundamentals. It is true you can always do that, go to Google, go to ABC, or whatever. Candidates should have a Ph.D. in Physics and a strong commitment to undergraduate education. In spite of it, I've been promoted 8 times in 12 years. The estimated base pay is $243,438 per year. I think that a compentent dev not a superstar, who follows your advice should make it to 63. Thanks for starting this. I think talking about level just confuses people as beyond US there is a different level system!L63 in the US is Senior (Level 60 in most of the other countries), well, moving to Senior is not such a big thing if you have experience, with more than 10 years in the industry I was hired at this level, now Senior II is just a matter of continuing contributing but the different comes to Principal (or lead), here is where you need to shine in order to succeed.Recommendation: Work not only towards your commitments but your managers as well As a former L65 (left MSFT about two months ago) I can say you are right on when it comes to understanding where your boss stands. Thanks. VPs may well number in the hundreds at a huge place . IMHO. I know many that purposely work for Microsoft as contractors just for this reason. They are 100% star material. How many has Live hired this year and OneCare gets cut? Google, Go to company page At this point, the financial crisis and everything, wouldnt it be more interesting to try and predict what KT and Steve will do once they recieve the rest of year forecast mid december? Regarding the comment about the ability to own a room - This is a very good self-calibration technique. "2) Peel the onion. Kathleen Hogan. keep in mind mentors are not one size fit's all. I'm a Level 64 in Office and I agree that the Level Compression puts a crimp in promotion velocity in Office. You must emphasize the goal of understanding how to improve, not just tagging a higher paycheck. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did in some ways. I agree with some comments that level make no difference. Great post. You almost always have to earn it. When (if) you are then promoted to 62, you are not expected to continue performing at a level 62 level, but rather a level 63 level.The reason that you have to perform at a new level before reaching it is to avoid the Peter Principle, being people promoted up to their level of incompetence. Do a search for people in those groups in NYC area and check their status to see who is hiring. If you have an itching to talk about something else, please go here: But Mini, I Want To Talk About Posted by I don't yet have any insight into what it might take to become a Partner, so I won't comment on that. Ultimately humans make decisions either by heart or brain. I know there are still some out there but things have improved a lot in my view. Stop thinking of your Mgr as your adversary and listen to what they are telling you. The L64 guys should be able to influence their skip level orgs plus one or two groups outside of the skip org. Averages based on self-reported salaries. It turns out that typically your immediate manager has little control, it's all decided at higher levels. Its difficult to transfer to a new position because at a high level, what group is going to take you on to a new position you have no experience in. Then I would get emails rating my abilities in these areas that I had no input into it and any replies rebutting it would go unanswered. It may be that the policy is to do transparent leveling but it's no one's job to go through and make sure they're up to date. If the answer for you is "No" and you don't like that, well, what are you going to do? You forgot "never ask for a promotion".Forgive my cluelessness, but: Why not?MSS. Or you wait until you get escorted out.I dont know what the final outcome of my situation will be but I expect in the end, I will think it was for the better.Good luck to all in your Microsoft careers, but pay attention to the levels, CSPs and how stack rankings work. At L63 you should be directing v-teams, serving as a lead or possibly even having direct reports. Great post! In my own experience, even after being a great developer for 2+ years, with straight 4.0 scores at that time, and despite having Dev Manager roles before Microsoft, I would be turned down on informationals for Dev Lead positions with the simple question: Have you been a Dev Lead at Microsoft? right? Its performance is compromised by your pandering to the RIAA and MPAA. Good luck with that. I got involved in features up front, by spending time getting to know the PM team. Turn (it) Around, Bright Eyes: every now and then I get a little bit thrilled when someone joins the team straight out of school (or with a little industry experience) and after a few months it's obvious that Microsoft is the best company for them. If a spot is available. Many folks lurk longer in the 60-62 range because they are not challenged enough to move to the next level. So honestly, what is your boss's answer about if you'll reach L63? Repeat. High energy, result oriented senior executive with 20yrs+ of comprehensive Sales, Marketing & Operations management experience in IT (Solutions & Services) in GCC region, with a record of. The "how" now has broader impact. Don't obsess over what is in front of you. I take some of the blame for not managing my career more directly, but no one should be offered a promotion when they leave--if they are valuable, let them know before hand! 1. Any idea on when is this going to change? My boss even made mistakes. You can each help each other.I've gone from 59 to 65 so far, but maybe what worked for me won't work for you. Also, go mine some of Dr. Brechner's Hard Code columns. Apple's about to ship Snow Leopard with no new features. Can any reader in Corp Sales Excellence(SMS&P) privide guidance on how to grow from 63 to 64 in that group. What I think may be worthwhile is understanding the circumstances of those anomalies and figuring out why they occur and how to "incent" management to ensure that they don't occur. You know you want to get to that other bar, but that chasm in between is fraught with risk. Then do it.Yeah yeah, that's an oversimplification. I've been hearing some stealth layoffs around the SQL and BOSG groups, around 70+ people were given 6(?) I'm not looking for any off-topic comments let alone woe-be-me comments - remember that slap thing? It inspired me to write the following dissertation on the subject in hopes that it will be helpful. Highly effective Finance leadership; ability to deliver results by leading through example while setting high personal standards; Partnering with the business and influencing . Executive Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer. There are not a lot of options at that point. Saturday, November 15, 2008. Microsoft is a Technology Giant and has been the biggest Technology Company in recent years. My promotion to 63 came not when I helped my group out of one of their many nightmares but when I helped an uncle. I just want to grow, and I am aware that it does not translate to a promotion always. I've been told HR looks for employees that have been at their level too long. Don't make promises to follow up on things and then let them drop. Why cannot we have our address title reflect our level as everybody else in the company?Not giving quite as snide a response as the previous posterAsk your management. . Technical excellence alone will not generate success.Authority. Is there any way to get to 63 w/o leaving and coming back?
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