After college, the couple married and settled in the Denver area. YOU SHOULD NOT STOP ME FROM EXPRESSING MY OPINION!!!!! comes from the shittiest of shitty, lazy parent(s). Sorry. He had friends, but felt as if he were a burden; he wanted love, but the girl he was interested in didnt know he existed. Eric Harris was beyond needing a therapist. You can't learn to feel if you don't. Dylans parents were hands-on parents who limited the intake of television and sugary cereals. Tom seemed in complete denial. I'm sure they have given depositions but I don't think those were ever made public. Psychiatry has long attacked outsiders of all kinds, including gays, while not saying a word about society. She has spent the last 15 years excavating every detail of her family life, and trying to understand the crucial intersection . His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. Eric: "Susan, sorry. As we ourselves have often concluded in class, it seems Sue also came to the understanding that the massacre was the culmination of a number of different factors for Dylan, none of which on their own would have created such an act. Let's set aside the pipe bomb issue and Eric's scrapes with the law for a moment and ask why they weren't more involved with their kid. Eric was born in Wichita, Kansas. If that;s the case, why did he have so many friends? Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. So they actually DO blame the kids for setting off their little angels on a murderous rampage. None of us knows exactly how the brain works. He was afraid Dylan might be involved. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. Adam killed 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary. Tom's surgery was today. (They werent.) This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. ", Dylan: "They gave me my fucking life. Based on the end of Cullen's book, who was of course supposed to be a guest, most of them have moved on. Isaiah's father said. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. Shocking crime scene photos explode the myths and reveal shocking details! Harris' family eventually settled in Colorado in 1992. She went to Ohio State University where she dated Tom. His parents raised their two boys as many others did, following that close-knit, suburban family model (p. 62). I don't believe that Tom and Sue were annoying parents. His negative traits werent out of the ordinary either, really: he was very sensitive to embarrassment, which sometimes led to anger; and he was perhaps a little too independent, where he wouldnt ask for help even if he needed it like when he had to take a break from baseball after pains he never mentioned became so bad they caused his arm real damage. Few more places I can't think of now. Outside Dylans journals, most of the information Sue got about Dylans frame of mind for the shootings came from a series of videotapes he and Eric had secretly made together. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. Reviews: 81% of readers found this page helpful, Address: Suite 369 9754 Roberts Pines, West Benitaburgh, NM 69180-7958, Hobby: Worldbuilding, Shopping, Quilting, Cooking, Homebrewing, Leather crafting, Pet. That's the first thing. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. This week, one of them, Sue Klebold mother of shooter Dylan Klebold - breaks the silence with ABC's Diane Sawyer. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. So he called me and offered to go to the school in hopes of negotiating with Dylan. He started getting in trouble, and complained of how certain groups of kids were ruthless bullies, yet the school did nothing to stop them. He was fiercely independent, insisting his mother teach him how to bathe himself at the age of 5 or 6, and how to do his own laundry at age 10. Family & Personal Life. I found this thred on accident and had to comment. And while his father was the epitome of the military asshole, having to deal with him only served to hone Eric's skills in fooling people. What is something of a mystery to me is why things reached the point they did. Okay, well, first of all, gifted programs don't monitor shit. The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. "Psychopaths don't feel guilty because they are blind to guilt," Ochberg said. Sue received a number of letters from people whod gone to Columbine who were more surprised that a shooting hadnt happened sooner than that one had happened at all. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Both were from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. Now, she spends her time advocating for suicide prevention and mental health services. Andreas Lubitz, Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold and Anders Breivik (from left to right) On the second . KleboldI started reading the Columbine book, how does he try to explain Klebold? WOuldn't one of the friends have felt him a little bit off, at the least? . My parents didn't know anything I did, didn't care,and were happy if I stayed invisible. Very,very sad but not surprising.The majority of parents who have lost a child end up splitting up.No matter how much they loved each other or how strong of a relationship they had before the tremendous strain and grief is often too much to endure. Sue Klebold, mother of Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold, poses for a portrait on Feb. 23, 2016. in CJ 725, Tagged: columbine, mass murderer, mental illness, school shootings. Attacks seem planned in advance, with the shooter expecting to be killed or planning to commit suicide in conjunction with the attack. Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the . R71, having seen Patti Lupone shit all over Gypsy, I can assure you, there's a Hell. Or, as Eric himself said, quoting Shakespeare, in the farewell video he left for his parents: x93Good wombs have borne bad sons.x94. Victim's parents reactThe Klebolds comments was criticized late Saturday by some of the victims parents. And society does not want to deal with real problems, so it easier to label people, and just forget about the whole thing. Eric and Dylan worked extremely hard to conceal their machinations. He's wearing a plaid shirt, either dark blue or black with white; the shirt's untucked. . Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. it was probably dylan just being a snarky and sardonic person if the relationship had ever crumbled, or a classic father/son conflict. One young doctor said, "I don't know if you can teach compassion, but you surely can teach the opposite! I'm sure they still live in Columbine and are active in many community functions, especially the PTA. While in class we have made abundantly clear that most people with mental health issues are non-violent, Dylans depression and suicidality fits the school shooter pattern. Answer (1 of 2): His mother has (admirably, if belatedly) committed herself to educating people on how to spot the signs of malignant tendencies in their children in an effort to help separate real danger signs from "normal" teen BS. When early word came that the Trench Coat Mafia may be involved in the shooting, Tom ran downstairs to look for Dylans trench coat, which he couldnt find, Lozow said. Attention was paid. The owner (a woman) had no qualms about going up to people with a screaming child and saying "You need to take ze child out to ze car vare he can calm down. Klebold, S. (2016). You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020 [quote]The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. ", "If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters.". That doesn't mean that it's always successful. (Video) My son was a Columbine shooter. Other than that, we don't have much indication that Tom was anything other than a good father. COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. What can I say, the mention of Dave Cullen's book piqued my curiosity. I wish the Harris and Klebold parents were rotting in prison right now as a lesson to parents that wash their hands of it and say "not my problem. Susan Francis Klebold was born on March 25, 1949, to Milton Yassenoff and Charlotte Yassenoff. I can't help it. Sue Klebold Recalls What Her Son Dylan Was Like at Home: Part 2. "However, there is credible, tangible, measurable, and repeatable evidence that there are some people, for whatever reason, have their brains wired differently.". Really just the gerden variety sociopath stuff? I still think it's easy to place blame on the parents within the context of what happened, but tons of kids are little miscreant assholes who commit petty shit like Eric & Dylan were doing. We've never left. Maybe he needs to go home. [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Join date : 2014-02-11. You teach people to manage their condition. I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy. . The interview is set to air on "20/20" this Friday, coinciding with . We will just do the opposite and everyone will be safe. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. IIRC, they both had psychiatric attention. OP, I agree with you. He did it in contradiction to the way he was raised.. Brooks Brown, now 31 years-old was a senior at Columbine during what was considered to be the worst school shooting in U.S. history. But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. One particular incident was uncovered where Dylan and Eric (the other shooter) were surrounded by a group, pushed around, called slurs, and had ketchup sprayed on them. I suppose it's ok to let children scream in restaurants and theaters as well? I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. A Further Examination: Sue Klebolds case study of her son, Dylan Klebold, Trauma and Suicide within Law Enforcement, Mental Health and Mass Murders: The Connection between Trauma and School Shootings, Mental Health Treatment in Correctional Facilities, Forensic Behavior Analysis: Self Care in the CJ Field, Trauma in Female Juvenile Inmates and Delinquents. His lower half can't be seen. "This was murder," he said. I was just messing with you all a little bit in my other posts. How can you not hear your child scream? When the clerk told him "Hey, your clips are in." I go into Target and there are children shrieking like banshees in the shopping cart and the mother never says "Be quite. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. i cannot remember nor can i find the source for this but im half certain its in his interview in the 11k. Hers was a love as dark and true, as embracing and self-abnegating, as Cordelia's. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, seniors at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., placed . Sue Klebold. There are several theories but there is not one definition. Hi Alison, We are not violent.I would never do a shooting even though I work in an office with a bunch of former jocks and homecoming queens that haven't changed since they left school and are still as awful now as they were then. I'm a true follower of Reb &VoDka. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. Unfortunately, Eric was able to channel Dylans experiences and psychology into a violent act that would take not only his own life, but the lives of many others. And although there was never anything we could do to put him away, so to speak, before he hurt someone, my mother would *never* claim in an aftermath that she had no idea of his mental state or his comings and goings or that she didn't know what made him that way. Indeed, up until he died, he had been going to school, working a part-time job, hanging out with his friends, planning for college all behaviors of a normal teenager. Sue had no idea it was a life-and-death situation.